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]]> By: Horsegal http://bridlepath.wordpress.com/2007/02/22/starving-horses-were-part-of-an-unusual-breeding-program/#comment-31445 Horsegal Mon, 24 Mar 2008 14:18:47 +0000 http://bridlepath.wordpress.com/2007/02/22/starving-horses-were-part-of-an-unusual-breeding-program/#comment-31445 Nick-- In your response to Glenda, allow me to "enighten" you a little. She does not have "several" horses as she stated, she has FIFTY FIVE horses, including 5 stallions, and runs a breeding program. I am glad to see she is finally giving away about 25 horses, but the reality is that everbody in the SE USA knew in August that there was going to be a severe hay shortage. With 55 horses when an owner/breeder waits until her horses are starving and they are out of hay to do somehting about it is is hard to just step up and clean up the mess. So Yes, I suppose I am one of those people who would rather not pay to clean up the mess she created for herself. I will however encourage people to help her by taking some horses off her hands, and I will donate funds to geld her stallions, or if they are really worthy of keeping as studs then finding them a suitable home who can provide to make sure they don't end up in this situation again. I have a problem with her giving away 25 of the horses mostly young stock, no doubt so she can just rebreed all the mares again next year. So I ask you Nick, how many years in a row should we step in and foot the bill for irrseponsible breeding, not just on her behalf, but all backyard breeders, the producers of "horsey mills". Nick–
In your response to Glenda, allow me to “enighten” you a little. She does not have “several” horses as she stated, she has FIFTY FIVE horses, including 5 stallions, and runs a breeding program. I am glad to see she is finally giving away about 25 horses, but the reality is that everbody in the SE USA knew in August that there was going to be a severe hay shortage. With 55 horses when an owner/breeder waits until her horses are starving and they are out of hay to do somehting about it is is hard to just step up and clean up the mess. So Yes, I suppose I am one of those people who would rather not pay to clean up the mess she created for herself. I will however encourage people to help her by taking some horses off her hands, and I will donate funds to geld her stallions, or if they are really worthy of keeping as studs then finding them a suitable home who can provide to make sure they don’t end up in this situation again. I have a problem with her giving away 25 of the horses mostly young stock, no doubt so she can just rebreed all the mares again next year. So I ask you Nick, how many years in a row should we step in and foot the bill for irrseponsible breeding, not just on her behalf, but all backyard breeders, the producers of “horsey mills”.

]]> By: Janet doe http://bridlepath.wordpress.com/2007/02/22/starving-horses-were-part-of-an-unusual-breeding-program/#comment-31410 Janet doe Tue, 19 Feb 2008 07:07:51 +0000 http://bridlepath.wordpress.com/2007/02/22/starving-horses-were-part-of-an-unusual-breeding-program/#comment-31410 Thankyou to "JUST ME" for clarifying what Jane Doe and myself has been saying about what it was really like dealing with this women. The only thing I will say again is the misconseption that she bred any color with catch a bird. All the color she got was from Standardbred mares but where by Standardbred stallions. I only know this because I am a harness racing enthusiest and a huge fan of Classic Garry progany so after responding to an ad went there to lease or buy a horse and come home with 3. 1 being her so called rear colour. Anyway I can garentee all the colored horses she had\has are all registered with HRV and you cant register a part bred to race with them. All harness racing horses must be dna tested for perternaty. Enough about that anyway congrates on caring and giving catch a bird a good home until his end and it sounds like he would had had a smile on his face til close to his last breath. regards Janet Doe Thankyou to “JUST ME” for clarifying what Jane Doe and myself has been saying about what it was really like dealing with this women.
The only thing I will say again is the misconseption that she bred any color with catch a bird. All the color she got was from Standardbred mares but where by Standardbred stallions. I only know this because I am a harness racing enthusiest and a huge fan of Classic Garry progany so after responding to an ad went there to lease or buy a horse and come home with 3. 1 being her so called rear colour. Anyway I can garentee all the colored horses she had\has are all registered with HRV and you cant register a part bred to race with them. All harness racing horses must be dna tested for perternaty.

Enough about that anyway congrates on caring and giving catch a bird a good home until his end and it sounds like he would had had a smile on his face til close to his last breath.
regards Janet Doe

]]> By: just me http://bridlepath.wordpress.com/2007/02/22/starving-horses-were-part-of-an-unusual-breeding-program/#comment-31399 just me Tue, 12 Feb 2008 22:45:05 +0000 http://bridlepath.wordpress.com/2007/02/22/starving-horses-were-part-of-an-unusual-breeding-program/#comment-31399 I have just read all your comments and just wanted to say this. Its not worth me having a go at that Lara woman as whenever i see any press I am in tears. I had Catch a Bird for 3yrs after taking him off her property with rediculas paper work she forced me to sign. he had a "dead" look in his eyes and was scared to walk out of the horrible yard that had been his home (if you could call it that) for the 4yrs she had him putting him over tbs' stockhorses and standardbreds. the only real colour progeny were all from SB mares. To give you an idea the day i picked him up i took him home we were backing him off the float and he saw grass. His eyes near popped out of his head. once in the paddock he went for a roll (he was coated head to foot in this sticky clay mud) he had problems getting back onto his feet from weakness then tried to trot and nearly fell over. Hence he went from that to being competed under saddle at the age of 21-22 in Canberra and locally down where I live. He passed away in April last year after serving his old mare that ran with him and came down the wrong way and broke his leg. I was there to the last moment with him and I miss his quirky in the face temperament that shone once he knew he was safe. For anyone to do this to any horse is horrible. I have lived through severe droughts and fires and have had to make horrible decisions with horses but at least at the end of the day I knew they were not in pain I have just read all your comments and just wanted to say this. Its not worth me having a go at that Lara woman as whenever i see any press I am in tears. I had Catch a Bird for 3yrs after taking him off her property with rediculas paper work she forced me to sign. he had a “dead” look in his eyes and was scared to walk out of the horrible yard that had been his home (if you could call it that) for the 4yrs she had him putting him over tbs’ stockhorses and standardbreds. the only real colour progeny were all from SB mares. To give you an idea the day i picked him up i took him home we were backing him off the float and he saw grass. His eyes near popped out of his head. once in the paddock he went for a roll (he was coated head to foot in this sticky clay mud) he had problems getting back onto his feet from weakness then tried to trot and nearly fell over.
Hence he went from that to being competed under saddle at the age of 21-22 in Canberra and locally down where I live. He passed away in April last year after serving his old mare that ran with him and came down the wrong way and broke his leg. I was there to the last moment with him and I miss his quirky in the face temperament that shone once he knew he was safe.
For anyone to do this to any horse is horrible. I have lived through severe droughts and fires and have had to make horrible decisions with horses but at least at the end of the day I knew they were not in pain

]]> By: curley http://bridlepath.wordpress.com/2007/02/22/starving-horses-were-part-of-an-unusual-breeding-program/#comment-31332 curley Sun, 20 Jan 2008 06:41:32 +0000 http://bridlepath.wordpress.com/2007/02/22/starving-horses-were-part-of-an-unusual-breeding-program/#comment-31332 this woman need serious mental health care. these horses need to be removed from her care, or lack of, and rescued. this woman need serious mental health care. these horses need to be removed from her care, or lack of, and rescued.

]]> By: janet dough http://bridlepath.wordpress.com/2007/02/22/starving-horses-were-part-of-an-unusual-breeding-program/#comment-31323 janet dough Fri, 18 Jan 2008 08:18:33 +0000 http://bridlepath.wordpress.com/2007/02/22/starving-horses-were-part-of-an-unusual-breeding-program/#comment-31323 DEAR HAVE A HEART The Mare shown above is Not by catch a bird as most people have beeen led to believe but all the roans she has there are all standardbreds by strews from Classic Gary or her home bred classic gary stallion "coloniel pursuit". She made such a big deal about trying to breed color with Catch a Bird but the trueth is she never got a colored, brindle, roan or any foal from him what so ever They are all STANDARDBREDS DEAR HAVE A HEART

The Mare shown above is Not by catch a bird as most people have beeen led to believe but all the roans she has there are all standardbreds by strews from Classic Gary or her home bred classic gary stallion “coloniel pursuit”.
She made such a big deal about trying to breed color with Catch a Bird but the trueth is she never got a colored, brindle, roan or any foal from him what so ever They are all STANDARDBREDS

]]> By: Have Hart http://bridlepath.wordpress.com/2007/02/22/starving-horses-were-part-of-an-unusual-breeding-program/#comment-31104 Have Hart Wed, 09 Jan 2008 03:04:30 +0000 http://bridlepath.wordpress.com/2007/02/22/starving-horses-were-part-of-an-unusual-breeding-program/#comment-31104 Isn't the mare in the photo above, the same horse that is shown in the book Horse Color Explained? There's a roan mare in there below Catch A Birds photo. They say it's one of his foals, and she looks almost exactly like the mare in the photo above. Has this case been resolved yet? Isn’t the mare in the photo above, the same horse that is shown in the book Horse Color Explained? There’s a roan mare in there below Catch A Birds photo. They say it’s one of his foals, and she looks almost exactly like the mare in the photo above. Has this case been resolved yet?

]]> By: janet dough http://bridlepath.wordpress.com/2007/02/22/starving-horses-were-part-of-an-unusual-breeding-program/#comment-27770 janet dough Sat, 22 Sep 2007 02:25:21 +0000 http://bridlepath.wordpress.com/2007/02/22/starving-horses-were-part-of-an-unusual-breeding-program/#comment-27770 Hi Jane Yep in some ways `its great but in other ways it sucks. I can't believe she is still aloud to own her horses as long as some poor fools look after them for her for the next 5 years. But at least people now know that was we have been saying is the trueth and hopefully more aware of what people like her are really capable of. Hi Jane
Yep in some ways `its great but in other ways it sucks.
I can’t believe she is still aloud to own her horses as long as some poor fools look after them for her for the next 5 years.
But at least people now know that was we have been saying is the trueth and hopefully more aware of what people like her are really capable of.

]]> By: jane dough http://bridlepath.wordpress.com/2007/02/22/starving-horses-were-part-of-an-unusual-breeding-program/#comment-27729 jane dough Thu, 20 Sep 2007 15:45:12 +0000 http://bridlepath.wordpress.com/2007/02/22/starving-horses-were-part-of-an-unusual-breeding-program/#comment-27729 to nick and ellen i leased 7 of julie tilbrook's horses. i have offered to buy them off her and she refuses to sell. I went to her with a fascination for her breeding programme for roan standardbreds (not the thoroughbred programme) and offered to help her with continuing the breeding with her mares on my property, while she was stuggling feeding them. a few months down the track when i mentioned the horses were all apparently in foal she accused me of trying to steal her bloodlines??? what the?..... I dont know to this day what happened but she became suddenly very nasty and accused me of some really hurtful things. When i tried to surrender the leases she didnt want the horses back, but she wouldnt sell them either. to the best of my understanding she just wanted me to feed them for her. No offence but janet dough and I have had the same experience with this person and her lies and deceitful ways have finally been shown up in a court of law. The RSPCA came to get a statement from me and believe me they would prefer not to deal with issues like this one. He said that this was just one case of many. I value your opinion but janet and I have had close dealings with this person. she was also charged with cruelty to dogs and native wildlife. It wasnt just horses. To Janet. thank god its over for the horses. yay!!!! to nick and ellen
i leased 7 of julie tilbrook’s horses. i have offered to buy them off her and she refuses to sell. I went to her with a fascination for her breeding programme for roan standardbreds (not the thoroughbred programme) and offered to help her with continuing the breeding with her mares on my property, while she was stuggling feeding them. a few months down the track when i mentioned the horses were all apparently in foal she accused me of trying to steal her bloodlines??? what the?….. I dont know to this day what happened but she became suddenly very nasty and accused me of some really hurtful things. When i tried to surrender the leases she didnt want the horses back, but she wouldnt sell them either. to the best of my understanding she just wanted me to feed them for her.
No offence but janet dough and I have had the same experience with this person and her lies and deceitful ways have finally been shown up in a court of law. The RSPCA came to get a statement from me and believe me they would prefer not to deal with issues like this one. He said that this was just one case of many. I value your opinion but janet and I have had close dealings with this person. she was also charged with cruelty to dogs and native wildlife. It wasnt just horses.

To Janet.
thank god its over for the horses. yay!!!!

]]> By: janet dough http://bridlepath.wordpress.com/2007/02/22/starving-horses-were-part-of-an-unusual-breeding-program/#comment-25954 janet dough Wed, 22 Aug 2007 02:36:32 +0000 http://bridlepath.wordpress.com/2007/02/22/starving-horses-were-part-of-an-unusual-breeding-program/#comment-25954 Another one for Nick Hall, My comment was just to make the point that she should have used that money to buy feed for the horses and then it may have never come to this but hang on it probebly wont even be her that pays for her to fight the charges it will probebly come from tax payers pockets seeming she is only a poor pensioner. Another one for Nick Hall,
My comment was just to make the point that she should have used that money to buy feed for the horses and then it may have never come to this but hang on it probebly wont even be her that pays for her to fight the charges it will probebly come from tax payers pockets seeming she is only a poor pensioner.

]]> By: janet dough http://bridlepath.wordpress.com/2007/02/22/starving-horses-were-part-of-an-unusual-breeding-program/#comment-25952 janet dough Wed, 22 Aug 2007 02:03:00 +0000 http://bridlepath.wordpress.com/2007/02/22/starving-horses-were-part-of-an-unusual-breeding-program/#comment-25952 to Nick Hall & Ellen Ash, I'm sorry but niether of you have any idea of the conditions of this womens premises are in. As I said in earlier corrispondence about Julie Tilbrooke I was at her property more than 5 years ago in which she constantly complained about her feed bill being over $10,000 back then and that she couldnt afford to feed her horses anymore. Now for starters if you can feed what you already have why in gods name would you keep breeding, also any one with half a brain that is sain knows you cant expect grass to grow on a property that is rediculously overstocked and doesnt get a rest or any type of work to improve the ground. Her ground is so stale even weeds have trouble growing there. Secondly if your animalls are stating to suffer because you cant afford to feed them you DONT leave them til they are dying in the paddock do something about it sell some off and be reasonable. Wouldnt you be better off selling at a lower price and know that they will sell and have a chance or be greedy and ask rediculous prices for your stock that you will never get even if they where in good condition and not sell any so they suffer any way. And as far as the RSPCA are concerned they can only do so much, where are they ment to get enough feed to support all the starving animals that morrons with their heads up their bums cant feed themselves so they expect handouts. IF YOU CANT FEED THEM GET RID OF THEM BEFORE THEY DO START SUFFERING. Julie Tilbrooke has been doing this for years to her horses and been given handouts or offered reasonable money for some of her horses but does nothing to help her self so as far as I am concerned she deserves everything she gets and more. She has been given enough chances. For gods sake she is a vet she should know better. Dont you think. to Nick Hall & Ellen Ash,

I’m sorry but niether of you have any idea of the conditions of this womens premises are in.
As I said in earlier corrispondence about Julie Tilbrooke I was at her property more than 5 years ago in which she constantly complained about her feed bill being over $10,000 back then and that she couldnt afford to feed her horses anymore. Now for starters if you can feed what you already have why in gods name would you keep breeding, also any one with half a brain that is sain knows you cant expect grass to grow on a property that is rediculously overstocked and doesnt get a rest or any type of work to improve the ground. Her ground is so stale even weeds have trouble growing there.
Secondly if your animalls are stating to suffer because you cant afford to feed them you DONT leave them til they are dying in the paddock do something about it sell some off and be reasonable. Wouldnt you be better off selling at a lower price and know that they will sell and have a chance or be greedy and ask rediculous prices for your stock that you will never get even if they where in good condition and not sell any so they suffer any way.
And as far as the RSPCA are concerned they can only do so much, where are they ment to get enough feed to support all the starving animals that morrons with their heads up their bums cant feed themselves so they expect handouts. IF YOU CANT FEED THEM GET RID OF THEM BEFORE THEY DO START SUFFERING.
Julie Tilbrooke has been doing this for years to her horses and been given handouts or offered reasonable money for some of her horses but does nothing to help her self so as far as I am concerned she deserves everything she gets and more. She has been given enough chances. For gods sake she is a vet she should know better. Dont you think.

]]> By: Ellen Ash http://bridlepath.wordpress.com/2007/02/22/starving-horses-were-part-of-an-unusual-breeding-program/#comment-25438 Ellen Ash Sat, 18 Aug 2007 23:23:12 +0000 http://bridlepath.wordpress.com/2007/02/22/starving-horses-were-part-of-an-unusual-breeding-program/#comment-25438 I would also ask why the RSPCA did not offer help. It is certainly not easy to get hay in NSW. To get good hay is even more difficult. To get alfalfa is also extremely expensive. Rain is very unpredictable and there are areas of Australia which have been in constant drought for almost 7 years, even when rain has fallen close by. I am surprised to think that visitors to Julie's place would expect hay to be lying around everywhere. During drought animals are fed hay in meal allotments. Owners cannot allow them to graze constantly as they would on grass. Owners feed to keep them strong but not fat. I have had no acquaintance with Julie Tilbrook but I know people in NSW who have been extremely stressed by this prolonged drought. Among them is one of my sisters who had 48 cattle shot by the RSPCA and shot under the most inhumane conditions. The facts that the cattle were being fed with hay and protein supplements, and had shiny coats, bright eyes and chewed their cud contendedly were ignored by the RSPCA representative, who insisted that these dairy and part-dairy cattle must have a certain beef fat index. Nor did it carry any weight that 13 of these cows were fond mothers of the little calves, playing in the yard before their mothers were shot in their sides in complete contradiction to the RSPCA guidelines for humane killing. The little calves were left without food - 2 of them only 3 days old. As far as I am concerned the RSPCA has no credibility as a humane carer of animals. The shooting of my sister's cattle is the cruellest thing I have ever heard done to animals but similar stories are coming from others who have had their animals shot by RSPCA. Julie Tilbrook's animals needed help and so did she. As some of the correspondents have pointed out, they do not want to pay for thin animals, even when they have the money to nurture the horse into a fat condition. It makes it very difficult for an owner to reduce stock and get money for feed. I would also ask why the RSPCA did not offer help. It is certainly not easy to get hay in NSW. To get good hay is even more difficult. To get alfalfa is also extremely expensive. Rain is very unpredictable and there are areas of Australia which have been in constant drought for almost 7 years, even when rain has fallen close by. I am surprised to think that visitors to Julie’s place would expect hay to be lying around everywhere. During drought animals are fed hay in meal allotments. Owners cannot allow them to graze constantly as they would on grass. Owners feed to keep them strong but not fat.
I have had no acquaintance with Julie Tilbrook but I know people in NSW who have been extremely stressed by this prolonged drought. Among them is one of my sisters who had 48 cattle shot by the RSPCA and shot under the most inhumane conditions. The facts that the cattle were being fed with hay and protein supplements, and had shiny coats, bright eyes and chewed their cud contendedly were ignored by the RSPCA representative, who insisted that these dairy and part-dairy cattle must have a certain beef fat index. Nor did it carry any weight that 13 of these cows were fond mothers of the little calves, playing in the yard before their mothers were shot in their sides in complete contradiction to the RSPCA guidelines for humane killing. The little calves were left without food - 2 of them only 3 days old. As far as I am concerned the RSPCA has no credibility as a humane carer of animals. The shooting of my sister’s cattle is the cruellest thing I have ever heard done to animals but similar stories are coming from others who have had their animals shot by RSPCA. Julie Tilbrook’s animals needed help and so did she.
As some of the correspondents have pointed out, they do not want to pay for thin animals, even when they have the money to nurture the horse into a fat condition. It makes it very difficult for an owner to reduce stock and get money for feed.

]]> By: Nick Hall http://bridlepath.wordpress.com/2007/02/22/starving-horses-were-part-of-an-unusual-breeding-program/#comment-25258 Nick Hall Fri, 17 Aug 2007 22:48:19 +0000 http://bridlepath.wordpress.com/2007/02/22/starving-horses-were-part-of-an-unusual-breeding-program/#comment-25258 In reply to Glenda Wright, I am afraid that both you and Julie Tilbrook appear to be surrounded by people who would prosecute third world parents for having thin children in a famine! Let me ask those of you who are so condemnatory a question. Why is the RSPCA prosecuting instead of offering help, feed, medicines, veterinary treatment etc? Could it be that there would be no heart wrenching publicity to be gained from helping, but lots and lots of media time and space to be gained from a prosecution and that of course can be equated to free advertising. How much does it cost for a full column in national papers or a slot on primetime news? Hmmm? Can I suggest that you all remember that there isn't one of us that doesn't need help at some time in our lives. Where would you turn if you lost your job, became ill, had a death in the family? Now I am not in Australia, but I assume that you have a similar legal system to ours in the UK, one that presumes innocence until proven guilty? And yet many who have posted here are assuming that the prosecution claims are absolute and calling for Ms. Tillbrook to be struck off as a vet, her animals to be confiscated and distributed and for Ms. Tillbrook to be slung in jail. Not one has qualified their comments with "if she is found guilty". Have any of you asked yourselves how you would feel if you were in this situation? If YOU believed in YOUR innocence? In reply to Janet Dough, you ask how Ms Tilbrook is going to pay a lawyer to fight the charges. Does that mean that the poor should be guilty by default? Or that those without ready cash should plead guilty since no lawyer will defend them irrespective of guilt or innocence? Here in the UK we have a major problem of guilt presumed over innocence. We get the same comments in the press and on internet forums that condemn before trial. If the accused cannot afford a lawyer and does not qualify for legal aid the courts will usually find them guilty as the RSPCA are considered to be the experts on animal welfare. There seem to be similarities between the behaviour, attitude and activities of the RSPCA in Australia and the UK. How much of the Australian RSPCA can you recognise in the articles on this site:- http://cheetah.webtribe.net/~animadversion/ In reply to Glenda Wright, I am afraid that both you and Julie Tilbrook appear to be surrounded by people who would prosecute third world parents for having thin children in a famine!

Let me ask those of you who are so condemnatory a question. Why is the RSPCA prosecuting instead of offering help, feed, medicines, veterinary treatment etc?

Could it be that there would be no heart wrenching publicity to be gained from helping, but lots and lots of media time and space to be gained from a prosecution and that of course can be equated to free advertising.

How much does it cost for a full column in national papers or a slot on primetime news? Hmmm?

Can I suggest that you all remember that there isn’t one of us that doesn’t need help at some time in our lives. Where would you turn if you lost your job, became ill, had a death in the family?

Now I am not in Australia, but I assume that you have a similar legal system to ours in the UK, one that presumes innocence until proven guilty?

And yet many who have posted here are assuming that the prosecution claims are absolute and calling for Ms. Tillbrook to be struck off as a vet, her animals to be confiscated and distributed and for Ms. Tillbrook to be slung in jail.

Not one has qualified their comments with “if she is found guilty”. Have any of you asked yourselves how you would feel if you were in this situation? If YOU believed in YOUR innocence?

In reply to Janet Dough, you ask how Ms Tilbrook is going to pay a lawyer to fight the charges. Does that mean that the poor should be guilty by default? Or that those without ready cash should plead guilty since no lawyer will defend them irrespective of guilt or innocence?

Here in the UK we have a major problem of guilt presumed over innocence. We get the same comments in the press and on internet forums that condemn before trial. If the accused cannot afford a lawyer and does not qualify for legal aid the courts will usually find them guilty as the RSPCA are considered to be the experts on animal welfare.

There seem to be similarities between the behaviour, attitude and activities of the RSPCA in Australia and the UK.

How much of the Australian RSPCA can you recognise in the articles on this site:-

http://cheetah.webtribe.net/~animadversion/

]]> By: janet dough http://bridlepath.wordpress.com/2007/02/22/starving-horses-were-part-of-an-unusual-breeding-program/#comment-20414 janet dough Tue, 10 Jul 2007 00:34:13 +0000 http://bridlepath.wordpress.com/2007/02/22/starving-horses-were-part-of-an-unusual-breeding-program/#comment-20414 Hi Jane Doe, Sorry I havent got back to you before now. It is all very interesting you know I got a phone call from HRV about a week after i last wrote they wanted to know about the roan mare a leasee known to both of us has. Apparently Julie has been enquiring about when the leases are due to expire and wants all leased horses back especially coloured ones and spun them afew whoppers to get them to do the chasing for her. What ever you do dont let her intimidate you I wouldnt think you would be stupid enough to sign state decs in which she has written for her benafit. As long as the horses are being suitably cared for by you she hasnt got a leg to stand on and if it comes to her trying to get you to court as a witness she would be pretty stupid you can tell her i'll come and testify too but if she thinks it would be benificial to her she is very much mistaken as nothing i would have to say would be good for her. Anyway the other reason I am writting is there was a really interesting artical on a site that we look at about coloured pacers. If you go to : harnesslink.com Look for a blue square called Features of the week, click on Pedigree Profiles with Frank Marrion. Go to the second page the 3rd story down it says coloured pacers make a comeback (31st Jan 2007) read this artical as this is the breeding as my mare that i was saying has the filly with hand print. I thought you would be interested and hope you injoy it there is a great photo of the latest coloured foal from this line. Til next time and good luck Janet Doe Hi Jane Doe,
Sorry I havent got back to you before now.
It is all very interesting you know I got a phone call from HRV about a week after i last wrote they wanted to know about the roan mare a leasee known to both of us has. Apparently Julie has been enquiring about when the leases are due to expire and wants all leased horses back especially coloured ones and spun them afew whoppers to get them to do the chasing for her.
What ever you do dont let her intimidate you I wouldnt think you would be stupid enough to sign state decs in which she has written for her benafit. As long as the horses are being suitably cared for by you she hasnt got a leg to stand on and if it comes to her trying to get you to court as a witness she would be pretty stupid you can tell her i’ll come and testify too but if she thinks it would be benificial to her she is very much mistaken as nothing i would have to say would be good for her.
Anyway the other reason I am writting is there was a really interesting artical on a site that we look at about coloured pacers.
If you go to : harnesslink.com
Look for a blue square called Features of the week, click on Pedigree Profiles with Frank Marrion. Go to the second page the 3rd story down it says coloured pacers make a comeback (31st Jan 2007) read this artical as this is the breeding as my mare that i was saying has the filly with hand print.
I thought you would be interested and hope you injoy it there is a great photo of the latest coloured foal from this line.
Til next time and good luck Janet Doe

]]> By: jane dough http://bridlepath.wordpress.com/2007/02/22/starving-horses-were-part-of-an-unusual-breeding-program/#comment-17213 jane dough Tue, 05 Jun 2007 09:08:05 +0000 http://bridlepath.wordpress.com/2007/02/22/starving-horses-were-part-of-an-unusual-breeding-program/#comment-17213 good to hear from you. intetresting. i got another letter from julie today (registered post). She wants me to sign some stat decs., in her handwriting and her words to confirm that i have not intentionally injured her horses and that i have honoured the leases as far as worming, teeth, feet etc... She also states that she may bring up my name as a contributor to the reason her horses have ended up in this state. Probably thinks that she can somehow implicate me because i surrendered leases early on four of the seven horses i had on lease. If she wasnt so difficult to deal with i would still have the four horses. She also states that i may be called to court. She tries this intimidation tactic all of the time. i have reams of her abusive letters. im over it and going to see my lawyer about it. what the.....???? good to hear from you. intetresting. i got another letter from julie today (registered post). She wants me to sign some stat decs., in her handwriting and her words to confirm that i have not intentionally injured her horses and that i have honoured the leases as far as worming, teeth, feet etc… She also states that she may bring up my name as a contributor to the reason her horses have ended up in this state. Probably thinks that she can somehow implicate me because i surrendered leases early on four of the seven horses i had on lease. If she wasnt so difficult to deal with i would still have the four horses. She also states that i may be called to court. She tries this intimidation tactic all of the time. i have reams of her abusive letters. im over it and going to see my lawyer about it. what the…..????

]]> By: janet dough http://bridlepath.wordpress.com/2007/02/22/starving-horses-were-part-of-an-unusual-breeding-program/#comment-17208 janet dough Tue, 05 Jun 2007 08:55:28 +0000 http://bridlepath.wordpress.com/2007/02/22/starving-horses-were-part-of-an-unusual-breeding-program/#comment-17208 To jane doe, Thats one of the things that makes me so furious is the fact that this person that is trained to care for and treat sick animals can be so shameless in what she does. Also the fact that she has so many people convinced that the majority of the horses she had there were for this breeding program to try to carry the colour of "catch a bird" which would mean that they should be mainly thoroughbreds but how come out of all the weanlings, yearlings and 2yos that she had when I went to her property about 98% of them where standard breds all by classic garry or colonial pursuit who is by classic garry as well. Now tell me how that is trying to preserve any kind of colour. I might be wrong but I've gone through the classic garry line and i couldn't find colour through his lines. yes she has or had 1 maybe 2 mares that have color through there lines but apart from that its got me stumped. As far as court she didnt turn up at court on the 30th of may but her lawyer aparently said she is going to fight the charges and got an adjornment for another mention in august and the trial has been set for september and is ment to go for a week. Thats all I can tell you about that from what I read in the geelong advertiser under court results. What I want to know is if she is so broke that she cant feed her horses how the hell is she going to afford to pay a lawyer to fight the charges???? Something to think about!!1 To jane doe,

Thats one of the things that makes me so furious is the fact that this person that is trained to care for and treat sick animals can be so shameless in what she does. Also the fact that she has so many people convinced that the majority of the horses she had there were for this breeding program to try to carry the colour of “catch a bird” which would mean that they should be mainly thoroughbreds but how come out of all the weanlings, yearlings and 2yos that she had when I went to her property about 98% of them where standard breds all by classic garry or colonial pursuit who is by classic garry as well. Now tell me how that is trying to preserve any kind of colour. I might be wrong but I’ve gone through the classic garry line and i couldn’t find colour through his lines. yes she has or had 1 maybe 2 mares that have color through there lines but apart from that its got me stumped.
As far as court she didnt turn up at court on the 30th of may but her lawyer aparently said she is going to fight the charges and got an adjornment for another mention in august and the trial has been set for september and is ment to go for a week. Thats all I can tell you about that from what I read in the geelong advertiser under court results.
What I want to know is if she is so broke that she cant feed her horses how the hell is she going to afford to pay a lawyer to fight the charges????
Something to think about!!1

]]> By: jane dough http://bridlepath.wordpress.com/2007/02/22/starving-horses-were-part-of-an-unusual-breeding-program/#comment-17167 jane dough Tue, 05 Jun 2007 04:16:59 +0000 http://bridlepath.wordpress.com/2007/02/22/starving-horses-were-part-of-an-unusual-breeding-program/#comment-17167 to janet dough I am really glad to hear that the roan standardbred is not as rare as julie made out to be. It is good that there are other horses around that will, keep the colour going if julie's end up dead. I have had very similar if not the same experience when i went to her stud 3 years ago. horses were chained to fences, living in crowded conditions with no food and she professed how broke she was but refused to sell me her horses when i offered money for them. she also saaid that her feed bill debt was $20,000 to me. intresting that it had got that high and the horses were so starved. do you know anything about the may court date results??? to janet dough
I am really glad to hear that the roan standardbred is not as rare as julie made out to be. It is good that there are other horses around that will, keep the colour going if julie’s end up dead. I have had very similar if not the same experience when i went to her stud 3 years ago. horses were chained to fences, living in crowded conditions with no food and she professed how broke she was but refused to sell me her horses when i offered money for them. she also saaid that her feed bill debt was $20,000 to me. intresting that it had got that high and the horses were so starved. do you know anything about the may court date results???

]]> By: tookeen http://bridlepath.wordpress.com/2007/02/22/starving-horses-were-part-of-an-unusual-breeding-program/#comment-16218 tookeen Wed, 30 May 2007 02:22:55 +0000 http://bridlepath.wordpress.com/2007/02/22/starving-horses-were-part-of-an-unusual-breeding-program/#comment-16218 I keep coming back to this article and just cant for the life of me imagine how somone who had the know how and ability to know right from wrong could allow this to happen to her horses. Its absurd at best. I hope they throw the book at her. I keep coming back to this article and just cant for the life of me imagine how somone who had the know how and ability to know right from wrong could allow this to happen to her horses. Its absurd at best. I hope they throw the book at her.

]]> By: janet dough http://bridlepath.wordpress.com/2007/02/22/starving-horses-were-part-of-an-unusual-breeding-program/#comment-14733 janet dough Sat, 19 May 2007 06:42:44 +0000 http://bridlepath.wordpress.com/2007/02/22/starving-horses-were-part-of-an-unusual-breeding-program/#comment-14733 By the way Jane Dough, I dont know how much of Julies ramblings of how rare her breeds are but as far as the roan is concerned they are not as rare as she would leave you to believe. There is quite alot around if you look its just that the standardbred has been so wrongly regarded as an inferier bred for so long that no-one that wasn't in the harness industry took any notice of the amount of roans or colored horses that there really is. For instance there is a fella in NSW that apparently has had roans for years and I have a black mare here that has an unusual dapple through her coat and the odd fleak of white here and there. It wasnt until we did a detailed seach of her family that we realised 90% of her family are roan or even skewbalds or paints and although she is not a true roan herself without any help from us except put her to a up and coming stallion to bred for racing purposes her first foal is a lovely red bay with to white stockings and a full blaze but as she is getting older now a yearling she is looking more roan every day with grey flecks all over her body and has an unusual white mark on the top of her shoulder that looks like a hand print. My point is they are out there its just that people in harness racing dont bred these mares to try and produce these colors they bred for speed as we have, and look what we got imagine what we could get if we put her to a stallion like roarshoch(sorry dont know how to spell that) for example. I think Doctor Tilbrooke is the rare one in that breed By the way Jane Dough,
I dont know how much of Julies ramblings of how rare her breeds are but as far as the roan is concerned they are not as rare as she would leave you to believe. There is quite alot around if you look its just that the standardbred has been so wrongly regarded as an inferier bred for so long that no-one that wasn’t in the harness industry took any notice of the amount of roans or colored horses that there really is.
For instance there is a fella in NSW that apparently has had roans for years and I have a black mare here that has an unusual dapple through her coat and the odd fleak of white here and there. It wasnt until we did a detailed seach of her family that we realised 90% of her family are roan or even skewbalds or paints and although she is not a true roan herself without any help from us except put her to a up and coming stallion to bred for racing purposes her first foal is a lovely red bay with to white stockings and a full blaze but as she is getting older now a yearling she is looking more roan every day with grey flecks all over her body and has an unusual white mark on the top of her shoulder that looks like a hand print.
My point is they are out there its just that people in harness racing dont bred these mares to try and produce these colors they bred for speed as we have, and look what we got imagine what we could get if we put her to a stallion like roarshoch(sorry dont know how to spell that) for example.
I think Doctor Tilbrooke is the rare one in that breed

]]> By: Callie http://bridlepath.wordpress.com/2007/02/22/starving-horses-were-part-of-an-unusual-breeding-program/#comment-14717 Callie Sat, 19 May 2007 01:36:40 +0000 http://bridlepath.wordpress.com/2007/02/22/starving-horses-were-part-of-an-unusual-breeding-program/#comment-14717 That woman is nuts! She clearly is a psychopath and not to be mean or anything, but if you can't afford to feed your registered horses than perhaps you shouldn't own or at least cut down. Especially these days. As much as I would love to have more horses, I know my limitations and what I clearly can afford to feed and keep healthy. That woman is nuts! She clearly is a psychopath and not to be mean or anything, but if you can’t afford to feed your registered horses than perhaps you shouldn’t own or at least cut down. Especially these days. As much as I would love to have more horses, I know my limitations and what I clearly can afford to feed and keep healthy.

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